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King James Version
O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be your wisdom.
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KJV (with Strong's)
O that H5414 ye would altogether H2790 hold your peace H2790! and it should be your wisdom H2451.
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Complete Jewish Bible
I wish you would just stay silent; for you, that would be wisdom!
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Berean Standard Bible
If only you would remain silent; for that would be your wisdom!
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American Standard Version
Oh that ye would altogether hold your peace! And it would be your wisdom.
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World English Bible Messianic
Oh that you would be completely silent! Then you would be wise.
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Geneva Bible (1599)
Oh, that you woulde holde your tongue, that it might be imputed to you for wisedome!
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Young's Literal Translation
O that ye would keep perfectly silent, And it would be to you for wisdom.
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SUMMARY

In the crucible of his profound and inexplicable suffering, Job issues a poignant and exasperated plea to his three friends, Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar. Having endured their prolonged and often accusatory speeches, Job yearns for their complete silence, declaring that their refraining from words would, in fact, be the truest and most profound demonstration of wisdom they could offer. This verse encapsulates Job's deep frustration with their misguided counsel, highlighting his desperate need for empathetic presence over judgmental pronouncements and simplistic theological explanations.

CONTEXT

  • Literary Context: Job 13:5 is strategically positioned within Job's extended and impassioned response to the second cycle of speeches from his three friends (Job 12-14). Following Eliphaz's second speech in Job 15, Bildad's in Job 18, and Zophar's in Job 20, Job has consistently defended his integrity before God, even as he grapples with the immense pain and confusion of his circumstances. His friends, clinging rigidly to the traditional retribution theology, insist that Job's suffering must be a direct consequence of his sin. Job, however, vehemently maintains his innocence and challenges their simplistic explanations, often accusing them of speaking falsely about God and even lying on His behalf, as powerfully articulated in Job 13:7-9. This particular verse, Job 13:5, serves as a climactic expression of his exasperation, directly preceding his bold and iconic declaration of unwavering trust in God despite his suffering: "Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him" (Job 13:15).
  • Historical & Cultural Context: The book of Job is a profound masterpiece of ancient Near Eastern wisdom literature, a genre that explores life's most perplexing questions, often through intricate dialogue and poetic discourse. In the ancient world, friends and counselors were culturally expected to offer sagacious wisdom and comfort in times of distress. However, the prevailing theological framework, particularly among the Israelites, often adhered to a strict doctrine of retribution: the righteous prosper, and the wicked suffer. Job's friends represent this deeply ingrained traditional view, attempting to apply it rigidly and universally to Job's unique situation. Their counsel, while perhaps initially well-intentioned, reflects a cultural understanding that struggled profoundly to reconcile innocent suffering with the concept of a just and sovereign God. The setting, though not explicitly detailed, points to a patriarchal society where such philosophical and theological debates were common among wise men, often taking place in a public or semi-public forum, emphasizing the immense importance of spoken wisdom and, by extension, the potential for its grave misuse.
  • Key Themes: Job 13:5 contributes significantly to several overarching themes woven throughout the fabric of the book of Job. Firstly, it powerfully underscores the limits of human wisdom when confronted with divine mystery and profound, unexplainable suffering. The friends, despite their theological knowledge and rhetorical prowess, utterly fail to grasp the complexity of Job's situation, offering only pat, formulaic answers that prove not only unhelpful but actively harmful. Secondly, the verse highlights the critical distinction between true vs. false comfort. Job's fervent longing for silence reveals that genuine comfort often lies in empathetic presence and humble, active listening rather than in judgmental pronouncements or simplistic theological explanations, which Job later famously labels "miserable comforters" in Job 16:2. Finally, it touches upon the profound and challenging nature of God's justice and sovereignty, directly challenging the neat, simplistic categories of retribution theology. Job's suffering, unexplained by any discernible sin on his part, forces a radical re-evaluation of how God interacts with humanity, setting the theological stage for God's ultimate, awe-inspiring revelation in Job 38-41.

EXPOSITION AND ANALYSIS

Key Word Analysis

  • O that (Hebrew, nâthan', H5414): This word, H5414, is a primitive root with a vast latitude of application, meaning "to give," "to put," or "to make." In this specific context, it functions idiomatically as an exclamation of earnest desire or wish, often rendered as "O that," "would that," or "I wish." It conveys the intensity of Job's longing, expressing a fervent, almost desperate, wish for something to happen, in this case, for his friends to be silent. It underscores the depth of his exasperation and the profound burden their words have become.
  • Altogether hold your peace (Hebrew, chârash', H2790): This verb, H2790, is a primitive root meaning "to scratch," "to engrave," "to plough." From the use of tools, it extends to "to fabricate." Crucially, from the idea of secrecy or stillness, it means "to be silent," "to let alone," or "to be deaf." The KJV's "altogether hold your peace" captures the intensity of Job's desire for complete cessation of their speech. It's not just a request for quiet, but a profound yearning for them to cease their harmful and misguided discourse entirely, implying that their current speech is not only unhelpful but actively detrimental and tormenting. The repetition of the root emphasizes the totality of this desired silence.
  • Wisdom (Hebrew, chokmâh', H2451): This noun, H2451, derived from the root "to be wise," refers to wisdom in a good sense, encompassing practical skill, prudence, sound judgment, and insightful understanding. It is often associated with discerning the ways of God and applying that understanding to life's complexities. Job's statement is a powerful and ironic indictment: their silence would not just be an act of wisdom, but it would be their wisdom, implying that their current voluble counsel entirely lacks this quality. It suggests that true wisdom, in this context, lies in humility, restraint, and the recognition of one's own profound limitations in the face of divine mystery and human suffering.

Verse Breakdown

  • "O that ye would altogether hold your peace!": This opening exclamation forcefully conveys Job's profound exasperation and desperate longing. The "O that" (מִי־יִתֵּן, mî-yittēn) expresses a fervent wish or desire, almost a lament, indicating that Job is not merely suggesting silence but passionately pleading for it, highlighting the immense burden their words have become. The emphasis on "altogether" (כֻּלָּם, kullām, derived from the same root as "hold your peace," H2790, emphasizing totality) underscores his desire for a complete and utter cessation of their counsel, signifying that their previous attempts at comfort have been not only ineffective but actively harmful. Job perceives their continuous, accusatory speech as a torment rather than a solace, a barrage of words that compounds his suffering.
  • "and it should be your wisdom.": This clause delivers a cutting and deeply ironic indictment. Job asserts that the greatest and most profound display of wisdom his friends could offer would be their silence. This is profoundly ironic, as they have presented themselves as wise counselors, dispensing theological truths and attempting to instruct Job. Job completely reverses their premise, implying that their current speech is foolish, misguided, and utterly devoid of true understanding or insight. In Job's view, true wisdom, in this context, would involve recognizing the limits of their own knowledge, the futility and harm of their arguments, and the greater need for empathetic presence and humble restraint in the face of suffering they cannot comprehend. Their silence would be an admission of their intellectual, theological, and spiritual inadequacy in this unique and mysterious situation.

Literary Devices

Job 13:5 masterfully employs several literary devices to convey Job's intense frustration and deliver a profound critique of his friends' counsel. The most prominent and impactful device is Irony, as Job declares that their silence, rather than their elaborate and verbose speeches, would be the true manifestation of wisdom. This directly contradicts their self-perception as wise counselors and exposes the emptiness, futility, and even cruelty of their words. Hyperbole is also clearly present in Job's fervent wish for them to "altogether hold their peace," emphasizing the extreme degree of his exasperation and the overwhelming, unbearable nature of their unhelpful discourse. Furthermore, the verse utilizes Apostrophe, as Job directly addresses his friends with a passionate and direct plea, lending a dramatic, personal, and emotionally charged intensity to his lament. The stark contrast between their perceived wisdom and Job's desperate call for their silence creates a powerful rhetorical effect, highlighting the vast chasm between superficial theological answers and the profound, unexplainable depth of human suffering.

THEOLOGICAL AND THEMATIC CONNECTIONS

Job 13:5 serves as a profound theological statement on the very nature of true wisdom, contrasting it sharply with human presumption and simplistic theological frameworks. It challenges the deeply ingrained notion that all suffering is directly attributable to sin, thereby forcing a radical re-evaluation of God's mysterious ways and the inherent limits of human understanding. The verse implicitly champions the wisdom of humility, empathy, and patient, discerning presence over dogmatic pronouncements and rigid theological systems. It suggests that in the face of inexplicable pain and divine mystery, the most profound and reverent theological response might not be a spoken word, but rather a humble, reverent silence that acknowledges the unfathomable depths of God's sovereignty and the raw, often inexpressible, anguish of human suffering. This profound humility creates the necessary space for God to truly speak and for genuine comfort to emerge, rather than imposing human-centric explanations onto divine providence.

REFLECTION AND APPLICATION

Job's exasperated cry in Job 13:5 resonates deeply with the universal human experience of suffering and the often-unhelpful, even damaging, responses of those around us. This verse serves as a profound and enduring reminder for all who seek to comfort, counsel, or minister to others: true wisdom often lies not in having all the answers, in offering immediate, simplistic explanations, or in dispensing theological platitudes, but rather in the humble, empathetic, and often challenging act of truly listening and knowing precisely when to refrain from speaking. In moments of profound distress, the most valuable and healing gift we can offer is our authentic, compassionate presence, our patient and attentive ear, and our willingness to sit in silence with another's pain, acknowledging the mystery and complexity of their experience. It challenges us to resist the pervasive urge to "fix" or "explain away" suffering, and instead, to cultivate a deeply compassionate heart that prioritizes genuine understanding, humble empathy, and respectful presence over theological correctness or judgmental analysis. This requires profound humility, acute self-awareness, and a deep respect for the individual's unique and often agonizing journey.

Questions for Reflection

  • When faced with someone's suffering, what is my immediate inclination: to speak or to listen?
  • In what specific situations might my "wise" or well-intentioned words actually be more harmful than helpful?
  • How can I cultivate a greater capacity for empathetic presence and discerning silence in my relationships and ministry?
  • What does Job 13:5 teach me about the inherent limits of my own understanding regarding God's mysterious ways and the complexities of human suffering?

FAQ

Why were Job's friends unable to offer him true comfort?

Answer: Job's friends, Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar, were fundamentally unable to offer him true comfort because their theological framework was rigid, simplistic, and ultimately flawed. They operated under a strict assumption of retribution theology, believing that all suffering was a direct and proportional consequence of sin. Therefore, when Job suffered immensely and inexplicably, they concluded he must have committed a great, hidden sin, despite his vehement protestations of innocence. Their counsel quickly devolved from initial sympathy into relentless accusations and persistent attempts to force Job to confess a sin he had not committed. They prioritized their preconceived theological system over Job's actual, agonizing experience and profound need for empathy, failing to genuinely listen to his anguish or acknowledge the deep mystery of his situation. Their words, rather than bringing solace, added significantly to his torment, making their silence a far more desirable "wisdom" (Job 16:2).

What does Job mean when he says their silence would be their "wisdom"?

Answer: When Job states that his friends' silence would be their "wisdom," he is making a deeply ironic, cutting, and profound critical statement. He means that their current speeches, filled with misguided accusations, simplistic theological explanations, and unhelpful platitudes, are utterly devoid of true wisdom. Instead of offering genuine insight, comfort, or understanding, their words are foolish, harmful, and exacerbate his pain. Therefore, the wisest, most empathetic, and most beneficial action they could possibly take would be to stop speaking altogether. This implies that true wisdom, in this specific and agonizing context, involves profound humility, discerning restraint, and the recognition of one's own limited understanding in the face of inexplicable suffering. It suggests that sometimes, the most profound and empathetic response is not to speak, but to listen, be present, and remain humbly silent (Proverbs 17:28).

CHRIST-CENTERED FULFILLMENT

Job 13:5, with its poignant plea for the wisdom of silence in the face of overwhelming suffering, finds profound Christ-centered fulfillment in several compelling ways. First, Jesus Himself embodies the ultimate empathetic Comforter, not through simplistic theological explanations or judgmental pronouncements, but through His perfect identification with human suffering. Unlike Job's friends, Christ "sympathizes with our weaknesses" (Hebrews 4:15), having personally experienced temptation, pain, and loss in every respect, yet without sin. He often met human need with a compassionate presence, sometimes with few words, sometimes with a powerful healing touch, always with perfect understanding and divine authority. Second, the "wisdom" Job so desperately longed for in his friends' silence is ultimately found in the very wisdom of God, which is fully revealed in Christ and profoundly confounds all human reasoning (1 Corinthians 1:25). The cross, seemingly foolish and scandalous to the world, is God's ultimate and most profound demonstration of wisdom and power, providing a redemptive solution to sin and suffering far beyond any human comprehension or simplistic retribution theology. Finally, Jesus' own powerful and dignified silence before His accusers during His unjust trial (Isaiah 53:7, Matthew 27:12-14) stands as a profound testament to a divine wisdom that transcends human words, accusations, and worldly logic—a silence that spoke volumes of His innocent suffering, His sovereign control, and His ultimate redemptive purpose. In Christ, the longing for true wisdom and compassionate understanding, so desperately expressed by Job, is perfectly and gloriously fulfilled.

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Commentary on Job 13 verses 1–12

I. II. Main points1. 2. Sub-points

Job here warmly expresses his resentment of the unkindness of his friends.

I. He comes up with them as one that understood the matter in dispute as well as they, and did not need to be taught by them, Job 13:1, Job 13:2. They compelled him, as the Corinthians did Paul, to commend himself and his own knowledge, yet not in a way of self-applause, but of self-justification. All he had before said his eye had seen confirmed by many instances, and his ear had heard seconded by many authorities, and he well understood it and what use to make of it. Happy are those who not only see and hear, but understand, the greatness, glory, and sovereignty of God. This, he thought, would justify what he had said before (Job 12:3), which he repeats here (Job 13:2): "What you know, the same do I know also, so that I need not come to you to be taught; I am not inferior unto you in wisdom." Note, Those who enter into disputation enter into temptation to magnify themselves and vilify their brethren more than is fit, and therefore ought to watch and pray against the workings of pride.

II. He turns from them to God (Job 13:3): Surely I would speak to the Almighty; as if he had said, "I can promise myself no satisfaction in talking to you. O that I might have liberty to reason with God! He would not be so hard upon me as you are." The prince himself will perhaps give audience to a poor petitioner with more mildness, patience, and condescension, than the servants will. Job would rather argue with God himself than with his friends. See here, 1. What confidence those have towards God whose hearts condemn them not of reigning hypocrisy: they can, with humble boldness, appear before him and appeal to him. 2. What comfort those have in God whose neighbours unjustly condemn them: if they may not speak to them with any hopes of a fair hearing, yet they may speak to the Almighty; they have easy access to him and shall find acceptance with him.

III. He condemns them for their unjust and uncharitable treatment of him, Job 13:4. 1. They falsely accused him, and that was unjust: You are forgers of lies. They framed a wrong hypothesis concerning the divine Providence, and misrepresented it, as if it did never remarkably afflict any but wicked men in this world, and thence they drew a false judgment concerning Job, that he was certainly a hypocrite. For this gross mistake, both in doctrine and application, he thinks an indictment of forgery lies against them. To speak lies is bad enough, though but at second hand, but to forge them with contrivance and deliberation is much worse; yet against this wrong neither innocency nor excellency will be a fence. 2. They basely deceived him, and that was unkind. They undertook his cure, and pretended to be his physicians; but they were all physicians of no value, "idol-physicians, who can do me no more good than an idol can." They were worthless physicians, who neither understood his case nor knew how to prescribe to him - mere empirics, who pretended to great things, but in conference added nothing to him: he was never the wiser for all they said. Thus to broken hearts and wounded consciences all creatures, without Christ, are physicians of no value, on which one may spend all and be never the better, but rather grow worse, Mar 5:26.

IV. He begs they would be silent and give him a patient hearing, Job 13:5, Job 13:6. 1. He thinks it would be a credit to them if they would say no more, having said too much already: "Hold your peace, and it shall be your wisdom, for thereby you will conceal your ignorance and ill-nature, which now appear in all you say." They pleaded that they could not forbear speaking (Job 4:2, Job 11:2, Job 11:3); but he tells them that they would better have consulted their own reputation if they had enjoined themselves silence. Better say nothing than nothing to the purpose or that which tends to the dishonour of God and the grief of our brethren. Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is accounted wise, because nothing appears to the contrary, Pro 17:28. And, as silence is an evidence of wisdom, so it is a means of it, as it gives time to think and hear. 2. He thinks it would be a piece of justice to him to hear what he had to say: Hear now my reasoning. Perhaps, though they did not interrupt him in his discourse, yet they seemed careless, and did not much heed what he said. He therefore begged that they would not only hear, but hearken. Note, We should be very willing and glad to hear what those have to say for themselves whom, upon any account, we are tempted to have hard thoughts of. Many a man, if he could but be fairly heard, would be fairly acquitted, even in the consciences of those that run him down.

V. He endeavours to convince them of the wrong they did to God's honour, while they pretended to plead for him, Job 13:7, Job 13:8. They valued themselves upon it that they spoke for God, were advocates for him, and had undertaken to justify him and his proceedings against Job; and, being (as they thought) of counsel for the sovereign, they expected not only the ear of the court and the last word, but judgment on their side. But Job tells them plainly, 1. That God and his cause did not need such advocates: "Will you think to contend for God, as if his justice were clouded and wanted to be cleared up, or as if he were at a loss what to say and wanted you to speak for him? Will you, who are so weak and passionate, put in for the honour of pleading God's cause?" Good work ought not to be put into bad hands. Will you accept his person? If those who have not right on their side carry their cause, it is by the partiality of the judge in favour of their persons; but God's cause is so just that it needs no such methods for the support of it. He is a God, and can plead for himself (Jdg 6:31); and, if you were for ever silent, the heavens would declare his righteousness. 2. That God's cause suffered by such management. Under pretence of justifying God in afflicting Job they magisterially condemned him as a hypocrite and a bad man. "This" (says he) "is speaking wickedly" (for uncharitableness and censoriousness are wickedness, great wickedness; it is an offence to God to wrong our brethren); "it is talking deceitfully, for you condemn one whom yet perhaps your own consciences, at the same time, cannot but acquit. Your principles are false and your arguings fallacious, and will it excuse you to say, It is for God?" No, for a good intention will not justify, much less will it sanctify, a bad word or action. God's truth needs not our lie, nor God's cause either our sinful policies or our sinful passions. The wrath of man works not the righteousness of God, nor may we do evil that good may come, Rom 3:7, Rom 3:8. Pious frauds (as they call them) are impious cheats; and devout persecutions are horrid profanations of the name of God, as theirs who hated their brethren, and cast them out, saying, Let the Lord be glorified, Isa 66:5; Joh 16:2.

VI. He endeavours to possess them with a fear of God's judgment, and so to bring them to a better temper. Let them not think to impose upon God as they might upon a man like themselves, nor expect to gain his countenance in their bad practices by pretending a zeal for him and his honour. "As one man mocks another by flattering him, do you think so to mock him and deceive him?" Assuredly those who think to put a cheat upon God will prove to have put a cheat upon themselves. Be not deceived, God is not mocked. That they might not think thus to jest with God, and affront him, Job would have them to consider both God and themselves, and then they would find themselves unable to enter into judgment with him.

1.Let them consider what a God he is into whose service they had thus thrust themselves, and to whom they really did so much disservice, and enquire whether they could give him a good account of what they did. Consider, (1.) The strictness of his scrutiny and enquiries concerning them (Job 13:9) "Is it good that he should search you out? Can you bear to have the principles looked into which you go upon in your censures, and to have the bottom of the matter found out?" Note, It concerns us all seriously to consider whether it will be to our advantage or no that God searches the heart. It is good to an upright man who means honestly that God should search him; therefore he prays for it: Search me, O God! and know my heart. God's omniscience is a witness of his sincerity. But it is bad to him who looks one way and rows another that God should search him out, and lay him open to his confusion. (2.) The severity of his rebukes and displeasure against them (Job 13:10): "If you do accept persons, though but secretly and in heart, he will surely reprove you; he will be so far from being pleased with your censures of me, though under colour of vindicating him, that he will resent them as a great provocation, as any prince or great man would if a base action were done under the sanction of his name and under the colour of advancing his interest." Note, What we do amiss we shall certainly be reproved for, one way or other, one time or other, though it be done ever so secretly. (3.) The terror of his majesty, which if they would duly stand in awe of they would not do that which would make them obnoxious to his wrath (Job 13:11): "Shall not his excellency make you afraid? You that have great knowledge of God, and profess religion and a fear of him, how dare you talk at this rate and give yourselves so great a liberty of speech? Ought you not to walk and talk in the fear of God? Neh 5:9. Should not his dread fall upon you, and give a check to your passions?" Methinks Job speaks this as one that did himself know the terror of the Lord, and lived in a holy fear of him, whatever his friends suggested to the contrary. Note, [1.] There is in God a dreadful excellency. He is the most excellent Being, has all excellencies in himself and in each infinitely excels any creature. His excellencies in themselves are amiable and lovely. He is the most beautiful Being; but considering man's distance from God by nature, and his defection and degeneracy by sin, his excellencies are dreadful. His power, holiness, justice, yea, and his goodness too, are dreadful excellencies. They shall fear the Lord and his goodness. [2.] A holy awe of this dreadful excellency should fall upon us and make us afraid. This would awaken impenitent sinners and bring them to repentance, and would influence all to be careful to please him and afraid of offending him.

2.Let them consider themselves, and what an unequal match they were for this great God (Job 13:12): "Your remembrances (all that in you for which you hope to be remembered when you are gone) are like unto ashes, worthless and weak, and easily trampled on and blown away. Your bodies are like bodies of clay, mouldering and coming to nothing. Your memories, you think, will survive your bodies, but, alas! they are like ashes which will be shovelled up with your dust." Note, the consideration of our own meanness and mortality should make us afraid of offending God, and furnishes a good reason why we should not despise and trample upon our brethren. Bishop Patrick gives another sense of this verse: "Your remonstrances on God's behalf are no better than dust, and the arguments you accumulate but like so many heaps of dirt."

Matthew Henry (1662–1714) — Commentary on the Whole Bible. This section covers verses 1–12. Public domain.
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Didymus the BlindAD 398
COMMENTARY ON JOB 13:4-5
A worthless physician is literally one who applies curing strategies that are not useful for the suffering. This happens in two ways: either it is due to lack of experience in the physician or to his wickedness. The friends who are contradicted here speak out of a lack of knowledge rather than wickedness in saying, “You suffer due to your sins.” They think they are bringing words of comfort. They were worthless physicians since they did not discover the true reason. “Whitewash with lies,” Job says against them, who think highly of themselves as if they could cure the affliction that occurs in others. He wishes that they had knowledge of the right times, to speak when it is appropriate and to be silent when it is appropriate, since they have realized their mistake. For that would be the beginning and commencement of wisdom for them. For once they learn that one can also be suffering for a different reason, namely, for inherent virtue to become visible, then Job’s friends will possess wisdom. Even for those who long for insight, it is beneficial to restrain their speech. In Proverbs it is said, “Even fools who keep silent are considered wise.” For if someone realizes that he needs the illuminating teaching of a teacher, this will make him wise. As someone who can talk and teach about wisdom is wise and a teacher, likewise is the one partially wise, who is able to ask what needs to be asked. He did not call him “fool” because he lacked insight altogether but because he had deficiency of insight. The word “If you would only keep silent” is similar to “There is a time, when one has to be silent.” However, since one has to talk, when one has become wise, he adds, “But there is a time to speak.”
John ChrysostomAD 407
COMMENTARY ON JOB 13:4-5
Indeed, when senseless words are spoken, it is better to remain in silence, and in being silent, one will show greater wisdom than in speaking.
Gregory the DialogistAD 604
35. As in a house, when the door is shut, it is not known what members there are hidden within, so, generally speaking, if a fool hold his peace, it is hidden whether he be wise or foolish, only, however, if no other works come to light, which may speak the mind even of one that is silent. For this reason the holy man, seeing that his friends were anxious to appear what they were not, charged them to hold their peace, that they might not appear what they were. And hence it is said by Solomon; Even a fool when he holdeth his peace is counted wise. [Prov. 17, 28] But because when a fool speaks, from this, that he brings in his own words, he is unable to reflect on the words of the wise, after he had bidden silence.
Source: Quotations drawn from early Church Fathers and historical Christian theologians (AD 100–1500). Some quotes address the surrounding passage context rather than this verse alone.
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