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If we have died with him,
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Matthew Henry
From his Commentary on the Whole Bible. Henry comments on passages, not single verses — this entry covers 2 Timothy 2:8–13. His three-level outline is real structure in the source text, so it is rendered as structure.
I.To encourage Timothy in suffering, the apostle puts him in mind of the resurrection of Christ (Ti2 2:8):
Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead, according to my gospel. This is the great proof of his divine mission, and therefore a great confirmation of the truth of the Christian religion; and the consideration of it should make us faithful to our Christian profession, and should particularly encourage us in suffering for it. Let suffering saints remember this. Observe,
1.We are to look to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who, for the joy that was set before him, endured the cross, despised the shame, and has now sat down at the right hand of the throne of God, Heb 12:2.
2.The incarnation and resurrection of Jesus Christ, heartily believed and rightly considered, will support a Christian under all sufferings in the present life.
II.Another thing to encourage him in suffering was that he had Paul for an example. Observe,
1.How the apostle suffered (Ti2 2:9): Wherein I suffer as an evil-doer; and let not Timothy the son expect any better treatment than Paul the father. Paul was a man who did good, and yet suffered as an evil-doer: we must not think it strange if those who do well fare ill in this world, and if the best of men meet with the worst of treatment; but this was his comfort that the word of God was not bound. Persecuting powers may silence ministers and restrain them, but they cannot hinder the operation of the word of God upon men's hearts and consciences; that cannot be bound by any human force. This might encourage Timothy not to be afraid of bonds for the testimony of Jesus; for the word of Christ, which ought to be dearer to him than liberty, or life itself, should in the issue suffer nothing by those bonds. Here we see,
(1.)The good apostle's treatment in the world: I suffer trouble; to this he was called and appointed.
(2.)The pretence and colour under which he suffered: I suffer as an evil-doer; so the Jews said to Pilate concerning Christ, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up to thee, Joh 18:30.
(3.)The real and true cause of his suffering trouble as an evil-doer: Wherein; that is, in or for the sake of the gospel. The apostle suffered trouble unto bonds, and afterwards he resisted unto blood, striving against sin, Heb 12:4. Though the preachers of the word are often bound, yet the word is never bound.
2.Why he suffered cheerfully: I endure all things for the elects' sake, Ti2 2:10. Observe,
(1.)Good ministers may and should encourage themselves in the hardest services and the hardest sufferings, with this, that God will certainly bring good to his church, and benefit to his elect, out of them. - That they may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus. Next to the salvation of our own souls we should be willing to do and suffer any thing to promote the salvation of the souls of others.
(2.)The elect are designed to obtain salvation: God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation, Th1 5:9.
(3.)This salvation is in Christ Jesus, in him as the fountain, the purchaser, and the giver of it; and it is accompanied with eternal glory: there is no salvation in Christ Jesus without it.
(4.)The sufferings of our apostle were for the elects' sake, for their confirmation and encouragement.
III.Another thing with which he encourages Timothy is the prospect of a future state.
1.Those who faithfully adhere to Christ and to his truths and ways, whatever it cost them, will certainly have the advantage of it in another world: If we be dead with him, we shall live with him, Ti2 2:11. If we be dead with him, we shall live with him, Ti2 2:11. If, in conformity to Christ, we be dead to this world, its pleasures, profits, and honours, we shall go to live with him in a better world, to be for ever with him. Nay, though we be called out to suffer for him, we shall not lose by that. Those who suffer for Christ on earth shall reign with Christ in heaven, Ti2 2:12. Those who suffered with David in his humiliation were preferred with him in his exaltation: so it will be with those who suffer with the Son of David.
2.It is at our peril if we prove unfaithful to him: If we deny him, he also will deny us. If we deny him before man, he will deny us before his Father, Mat 10:33. And that man must needs be for ever miserable whom Christ disowns at last. This will certainly be the issue, whether we believe it or no (Ti2 2:13): If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful; he cannot deny himself. He is faithful to his threatenings, faithful to his promises; neither one nor the other shall fall to the ground, no, not the least, jot nor tittle of them. If we be faithful to Christ, he will certainly be faithful to us. If we be false to him, he will be faithful to his threatenings: he cannot deny himself, cannot recede from any word that he hath spoken, for he is yea, and amen, the faithful witness. Observe,
(1.)Our being dead with Christ precedes our living with him, and is connected with it: the one is in order to the other; so our suffering for him is the way to reign with him. You that have followed me in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel Mat 19:28.
(2.)This is a faithful saying, and may be depended on and ought to be believed. But,
(3.)If we deny him, out of fear, or shame, or for the sake of some temporal advantage, he will deny and disown us, and will not deny himself, but will continue faithful to his word when he threatens as well as when he promises.
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The Savior, too, first granted you this very thing—that you should fall. You were a Gentile. Let the Gentile in you fall. You loved prostitutes. Let the lover of prostitutes in you perish first. You were a sinner. Let the sinner in you fall. Then you can rise again and say, “If we have died with him, we shall also live with him,” and, “If we have been made like him in death, we shall also be like him in resurrection.”
The Apostle Paul also says: "For if we die with Him, we shall also live with Him; if we suffer, we shall also reign with Him; if we deny Him, He also will deny us."
Let us honor the spirit of Christ, that we may receive grace from him. Let us be strangers to the world, even as Christ was not of it. Let us be humble and mild, that we may inherit the land of life. Let us be unflagging in his service, that he may cause us to serve in the abode of the saints. Let us pray his prayer in purity, that it may have access to the Lord of majesty. Let us be partakers in his suffering, so that we may also rise up in his resurrection. Let us bear his sign upon our bodies, that we may be delivered from the wrath to come.
Having been planted with him in the likeness of his death, we will assuredly be raised up together with Christ (for the planting implies this eventuality). But in the present life, we are formed in the inner man according to the measure of the incarnation in newness of life and obedience unto death, fully persuaded of the truth of his words, so that we may become worthy to say with truth, “And I live, now not I, but Christ lives in me.” That this obtains also for the future life. The same apostle has strongly affirmed this in these words: “For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him. If we suffer, we shall also reign with him.”
The apostle says that even we shall reign together with Christ in the kingdom of Christ. “If we are dead with him, we shall also live with him; if we endure, we shall also reign with him.” But we by adoption, he by power; we live by grace, he by nature.
So also you are yourself made king and priest and prophet in the washing of baptism. You are a king by having dashed to earth all the deeds of wickedness and slain your sins. You are a priest in that you offer yourself to God, having sacrificed your body and being yourself slain also, "for if we died with him," says he, "we shall also live with him." You are a prophet, knowing what shall be, being inspired of God and sealed.
Many of the weaker sort of men give up the effort of faith, and do not endure the deferring of their hope. They seek things present, and form from these their judgment of the future. When therefore their lot here was death, torments, and chains, and yet he says, they shall come to eternal life, they would not have believed, but would have said, "What sayest thou? When I live, I die; and when I die, I live? Thou promisest nothing on earth, and dost thou give it in heaven? Little things thou dost not bestow; and dost thou offer great things?" That none therefore may argue thus, he places beyond doubt the proof of these things, laying it down beforehand already, and giving certain signs. For, "remember," he says, "that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead"; that is, rose again after death. And now showing the same thing he says, "It is a faithful saying," that he who has attained a heavenly life, will attain eternal life also. Whence is it "faithful"? Because, he says, "If we be dead with Him, we shall also live with Him." For say, shall we partake with Him in things laborious and painful; and shall we not in things beneficial? But not even a man would act thus, nor, if one had chosen to suffer affliction and death with him, would he refuse to him a share in his rest, if he had attained it. But how are we "dead with Him"? This death he means both of that in the Layer, and that in sufferings. For he says, "Bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus" (2 Cor. iv. 10); and, "We are buried with Him by baptism into death" (Rom. vi. 4); and, "Our old man is crucified with Him"; and, "We have been planted together in the likeness of His death." (Rom. vi. 5, Rom. 6.) But he also speaks here of death by trials: and that more especially, for he was also suffering trials when he wrote it. And this is what he says, "If we have suffered death on His account, shall we not live on His account? This is not to be doubted."
We must believe both his passion according to the flesh and his impassibility inasmuch as he was God.… Let us confess our oneness with Christ, lest we be separated from him. In the words of the apostle, “If we have died with him, we shall also live with him.”
We ought to be humble of heart out of the sincerest devotion during the whole time of this wandering exile, in which we are living in the midst of trials and temptations. If so, how much more should we be so during these days, when as well as spending this time of humility by living it, we are also signifying it by our liturgical celebration of it. The lowliness of Christ has taught us to be lowly, because by dying he yielded to the godless. Christ’s highness makes us exalted, because by rising again he has led the way for the godly.… We celebrate one of these things now, when his passion is, so to say, drawing near. We celebrate the other after Easter with appropriate devotion, when his resurrection, so to say, has been accomplished.
The saying is trustworthy. For if we have died with him, we will also live with him. If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we deny him, he also will deny us. If we are faithless, he remains faithful. He cannot deny himself.
The saying is trustworthy. Those who are chosen obtain glorious and eternal salvation. For some have doubted concerning the resurrection, and this assurance was needed. That the saying is trustworthy is also established from reasoning.
For if we have died with Christ, (by which I mean death both through baptism and through sufferings, this indeed being the sensible one,) we shall also reign with him." For no one, Paul says, who has shared in sorrows with others can be deprived of good things and prosperity: let alone Christ, who is goodness and kindness itself.
If we deny him, he also will deny us. Then also fear them who are evil. But consider what is likely to happen to one who is denied by Christ.
If we are faithless, he remains faithful. If we are faithless concerning that he rose from the dead, or that he is God, he remains faithful, that is, true. For having said that he will rise, and that he is God (for this was signified in many ways), he is faithful. For he rose and he is God. He says that he cannot deny himself, so as not to be God or to have risen. Just as he said: There will be no change because of our denial, but he remains faithful and true concerning himself. And to deny, that is, to lie to himself, he cannot do, in not having risen or not being God. For having promised concerning himself, he cannot lie to himself and fail to fulfill the promises. For neither by believing do we make him not God, nor by being unfaithful do we cast out the divine nature, but both in our believing and in our unbelief he himself is God. Therefore, we who believe reap the benefit. But the "It is not possible," instead of, "It is not permitted." "He remains faithful." Therefore, for our salvation, he demands from us consent to him. For, he says, it is not harmed by our denial.
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Summary
Second Timothy 2:11 presents a foundational truth, often recognized as an early Christian creedal statement, offering profound encouragement and assurance to believers. It articulates the inseparable spiritual union between Christ and His followers, asserting that their identification with His death is inextricably linked to their participation in His resurrection life. This "faithful saying" serves as a bedrock of hope, especially for those enduring hardship or persecution, by firmly connecting present suffering and commitment to Christ with the certain promise of future glory and eternal fellowship with Him.
Context
Literary Context
This verse is strategically placed within Paul's second letter to Timothy, serving as a powerful anchor amidst a series of exhortations concerning steadfastness in ministry and discipleship. Paul, likely imprisoned and facing imminent death, is instructing his young protégé, Timothy, on how to endure hardship as a good soldier of Christ Jesus (2 Timothy 2:3). The immediate preceding verse, 2 Timothy 2:10, speaks of Paul's own endurance "for the elect's sakes," setting the stage for the profound truth that follows. The "faithful saying" in 2 Timothy 2:11 then provides the theological bedrock for such perseverance. The subsequent verses, 2 Timothy 2:12-13, expand on this theme, contrasting the glorious outcome of enduring with Christ with the dire consequences of denying Him, yet affirming God's unwavering faithfulness even in human unfaithfulness. Thus, the saying functions as a central theological premise for the practical and ethical instructions Paul imparts.
Historical & Cultural Context
Paul wrote 2 Timothy during a period of intense persecution for Christians under the Roman Empire, likely from a Roman prison, anticipating his martyrdom. Timothy, serving as a leader in Ephesus, faced significant challenges, including false teachers, internal strife, and external pressures. In this volatile environment, Paul sought to equip Timothy with theological truths that would provide stability and courage. The phrase "faithful saying" (Greek: pistos logos) was likely a recognized formula or creedal statement, possibly an early Christian hymn or liturgical confession, used to emphasize core, universally accepted doctrines within the early church. Such concise, memorable statements served as vital theological anchors for believers navigating a hostile world, providing a shared understanding of their identity in Christ and their ultimate hope. This context underscores the urgency and weight of the truth conveyed in the verse, intended to fortify Timothy and, by extension, all believers against apostasy and despair.
Key Themes
2 Timothy 2:11 encapsulates several pivotal themes central to Pauline theology and the broader Christian narrative. Foremost is the theme of union with Christ, emphasizing the believer's profound and mystical identification with Jesus in both His death and resurrection. This union is the basis for the new life believers now possess, a life freed from the dominion of sin and empowered by the Holy Spirit. It also directly relates to the theme of suffering and glory, asserting that present suffering endured for Christ's sake is not in vain but is a prerequisite for future co-reigning with Him (2 Timothy 2:12). The verse also highlights the reliability of God's promises and the foundational nature of Christian truth, as indicated by the "faithful saying" designation. These themes collectively provide a robust framework for understanding Christian identity, perseverance, and eschatological hope, echoing sentiments found throughout Paul's epistles, such as in Romans 6 regarding dying to sin and living to God, and Colossians 3 on being raised with Christ.
Exposition and Analysis
Key Word Analysis
From the root meaning "to persuade," this word describes something or someone that is objectively trustworthy, reliable, and worthy of belief. When applied to a "saying," it denotes a truth that is absolutely dependable and can be fully relied upon, standing firm against doubt or challenge. It signifies a statement that embodies truth and fidelity, reflecting God's own character.
While broadly meaning "word" or "speech," in this context, lógos refers to a specific statement, doctrine, or message. Coupled with pistós, it indicates a definitive and authoritative declaration of Christian truth, often understood as a creedal formula or a core tenet of the faith that was widely accepted and perhaps recited in early Christian communities.
This compound verb combines syn- (meaning "with" or "together") and apothnḗskō ("to die"). It signifies a profound, shared experience of death. In a spiritual sense, it refers to the believer's decisive identification with Christ's death on the cross, implying a death to the old self, to the power of sin, and to the world's dominion. It is not merely a physical death but a spiritual reality of being crucified with Christ.
Similarly, this compound verb combines syn- ("with" or "together") and záō ("to live"). It denotes a shared experience of life, specifically the believer's participation in Christ's resurrection life. This implies not only the promise of future eternal life and bodily resurrection but also a present spiritual vitality, a new way of living empowered by Christ's Spirit, characterized by righteousness and obedience to God.
Verse Breakdown
"[It is] a faithful saying:"
This opening clause functions as a solemn declaration, introducing the profound truth that follows. The phrase pistos logos (faithful saying) emphasizes the absolute reliability, certainty, and importance of the statement. It signals that what is about to be declared is not a mere human opinion or a transient thought, but a trustworthy and foundational tenet of Christian faith, likely a recognized and cherished creedal statement within the early church. It calls for unwavering acceptance and confidence from the hearer.
"For if we be dead with [him],"
This conditional clause establishes the premise for the subsequent promise. The "if" (Greek: ei) here does not imply doubt but rather introduces a logical consequence based on a fulfilled condition. "Dead with [him]" refers to the believer's spiritual union with Christ in His crucifixion. It signifies a radical break from the dominion of sin, the old fallen nature, and the world's system. This "dying" is a spiritual reality, often associated with baptism as a symbolic representation of this union, where the believer's old self is put to death with Christ, signifying a definitive end to a life lived apart from God.
"we shall also live with [him]:"
This clause presents the glorious and certain outcome of being "dead with him." The "also" (Greek: kai) emphasizes the direct and inseparable correlation: just as believers share in Christ's death, they are guaranteed to share in His resurrection life. This "living with him" encompasses both a present spiritual reality—a new life empowered by the Holy Spirit, characterized by righteousness and fellowship with God—and the future hope of eternal life, bodily resurrection, and co-reigning with Christ in His kingdom. It is the ultimate assurance of salvation and glorification for those who have identified with Christ's atoning work.
Literary Devices
The verse employs several significant literary devices that amplify its profound theological message. Central to its structure is Parallelism, specifically Antithetical Parallelism, where the concepts of "dead with him" and "live with him" are presented in direct opposition yet in inseparable relation, highlighting the transformative journey from spiritual death to spiritual life through Christ. This creates a balanced and memorable statement. The phrase "It is a faithful saying" functions as a Credal Formula or Apostolic Aphorism, marking the subsequent statement as a universally accepted, reliable truth within the early Christian community, lending it authority and weight. The concepts of being "dead with him" and "live with him" are powerful Metaphors for the spiritual transformation that occurs in salvation. They are not literal physical deaths or resurrections for the believer in the immediate sense, but rather represent a decisive break from the power of sin and the reception of new, divine life in union with Christ. This metaphorical language vividly communicates the radical nature of conversion and sanctification.
Theological and Thematic Connections
The profound theological core of 2 Timothy 2:11 lies in the doctrine of union with Christ, which is central to Pauline theology. This verse articulates the believer's mystical yet real participation in Christ's death and resurrection. It's not merely an intellectual assent to historical events, but a spiritual identification that transforms one's very being. Through faith, believers are united with Christ such that His death becomes their death to sin, and His resurrection becomes their source of new life. This union is the wellspring of sanctification, empowering believers to live righteously, and the guarantee of glorification, assuring them of future resurrection and eternal fellowship with Christ. It underscores that the Christian life is not simply about following rules, but about living out the reality of Christ's life within us, a life that has definitively broken with the old self and embraced the new creation in Him.
Reflection and Application
The "faithful saying" of 2 Timothy 2:11 offers profound practical guidance for every believer. To truly grasp that "if we be dead with [him], we shall also live with [him]" is to embrace a radical reorientation of life. It calls us to a daily, conscious dying to self—to our sinful desires, our worldly ambitions, our pride, and our self-sufficiency. This spiritual crucifixion is not a one-time event but a continuous process of surrender, allowing the old nature to be put to death so that the new life in Christ can flourish. In turn, living with Him means walking in the power of His resurrection, experiencing His victory over sin and death in our everyday struggles. It empowers us to pursue righteousness, to love sacrificially, to forgive freely, and to persevere through trials with an eternal perspective. This verse provides immense comfort in suffering, reminding us that our present afflictions, when borne for Christ's sake, are not meaningless but are intrinsically linked to our future glory and eternal reign with Him. It anchors our hope, motivates our endurance, and shapes our identity as those who are truly alive in Christ.
Questions for Reflection
FAQ
What does "faithful saying" (pistos logos) signify in this context?
The phrase "faithful saying" (Greek: pistos logos) is a significant Pauline idiom, appearing five times in the Pastoral Epistles (1 Timothy 1:15, 1 Timothy 3:1, 1 Timothy 4:9, 2 Timothy 2:11, Titus 3:8). It signifies a statement that is absolutely trustworthy, reliable, and worthy of full acceptance by believers. In this context, it marks the following declaration ("For if we be dead with [him], we shall also live with [him]") as a core, foundational truth of the Christian faith, likely an early creedal confession or a commonly recited maxim that provided theological stability and encouragement to the early church. It underscores the divine origin and unwavering certainty of the truth being proclaimed.
How are believers "dead with" Christ? Is this a literal death?
Being "dead with [him]" (Greek: synapothnḗskō) refers not to a literal physical death for the believer, but to a profound spiritual reality. It signifies the believer's decisive identification and union with Christ in His crucifixion. When Christ died on the cross, He died to sin and its power once for all. Through faith, believers are spiritually united with Him in that death, meaning their "old self" (their former life dominated by sin and rebellion against God) has been crucified with Christ (Romans 6:6). This is a definitive break from the dominion of sin, the law, and the world. It means that the power of sin over the believer's life has been broken, and they are no longer enslaved to its desires. This spiritual death is the prerequisite for walking in newness of life.
What does it mean to "live with" Christ now, and in the future?
To "live with [him]" (Greek: syzáō) encompasses both a present spiritual reality and a future eschatological hope. Presently, it means that just as believers have died to sin with Christ, they have also been raised with Him to a new quality of life. This new life is empowered by the Holy Spirit, characterized by righteousness, holiness, and fellowship with God (Romans 6:4). It's a life lived in union with the resurrected Christ, enabling believers to overcome sin, walk in obedience, and bear spiritual fruit. In the future, "living with him" refers to the ultimate promise of eternal life, bodily resurrection, and co-reigning with Christ in His glorious kingdom. It assures believers that their identification with Christ's suffering and death will culminate in their full participation in His triumph and glory for all eternity (Colossians 3:4).
Christ-Centered Fulfillment
The "faithful saying" in 2 Timothy 2:11 finds its complete and ultimate fulfillment in the person and work of Jesus Christ. He is the very subject and object of this truth, for it is His unique death and resurrection that make this spiritual reality possible for humanity. Christ, as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, perfectly fulfilled the sacrificial death necessary to break the power of sin and death over humanity. His resurrection from the dead, attested to by countless witnesses (1 Corinthians 15:3-8), is the irrefutable guarantee that death has been conquered and new life is available. Therefore, when believers are said to be "dead with [him]," it is because Christ Himself first died, bearing their sins in His body on the tree (1 Peter 2:24). And when they "shall also live with [him]," it is because Christ was raised for their justification (Romans 4:25) and now lives to intercede for them (Hebrews 7:25). Thus, the entire "faithful saying" is a testament to Christ's finished work, His ongoing reign, and His promise to bring all who are united with Him into His eternal glory (John 14:19). He is the life, the resurrection, and the very foundation upon which this profound truth stands.